David Air training experiment 1 (18/12/2014 03:11)

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S122_Data

S123_Data

S124_Data

S125_Data

 Overall_Data

Conclusion

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Background Info

 

        Well where do i begin...hmm.. let me start by apologizing for every gramatical error that will occur in this blog lol...

        Anyways, when newbies ask experienced managers about how to train young players, they all get the typical answer: fill the training line-up w/  "35+" "high Q"  "experienced" oldies and train only about 6-7 youths at a time and have the line-up consist of only 3-4 starting youths ( sub-in the remaining later in each game for the starting youths).  i may sound like a hypocrite with the upcoming statement, but i will say it anyway. I am one of the managers whose methos i doubt and i have given the same advice to newbies who seeked advice. From my own experience i know for a fact that having high Q oldies vs having low Q oldies have very small effects... if any actually.. proof you ask? well.. voila!

 

        My training in season 115 i believe...The oldest oldie was 77Q. The avg. gain was 48 atts. Prior to this season i bought these oldies by searching for the cheapest but quite experienced oldies available.. most of them had 200+ league match experience and some have 400+ league match experience.  However,as you can guess...some of the oldies retired shortly after this season... I also know for a fact that having no oldies in your line-up also affect your gains.. proof? Hacky's team :P. Since the retirement of oldies can ruin plans and looking for oldies with the most experience for cheap price can be frustrating, i will combine two ideas that is generally considered a "no-no" in the ML community and see if they even affect training of youths. I will train youths with very low Q <35 yrs old oldies with very little league-match experience (where the avereage experience is more than 30 but less than 200).  I will start from season 122 (when the oldies will be 30 yrs) and train for 4 seasons ( till season 125 when the oldies will be 34 yrs). I will update this blog with data at the beginining of each season and at the end of each season.

        The hypothesis of the experiment is:

Can you use low Q,  less than 35 years old oldies with not much experience (starting at 30 yrs old) to train youths effectively? 

If the average gain of youths after the first season is 40+ atts... then the first part of the experiment is a succes. 

If the combined average gain of youths after the combined 4 seasons is 37+ then the second part of the experiment is a success.

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Training w/ 30 yr old  low Q oldies with not much experience

S122 Data

Begining of Season

Oldies experience:

The green dot means that those oldies are in my first team training line-up

End of Season:

I will not include Muan Jata's gains in the data since he was only 2.5 stars.. which is not fair for the experiment since most people train 4 star+ players because they have more chances of gaining. but if you are still interested in his data.. he gained only 27 atts in 190 friendlies before i sold him.

 

Hmm.... Average gain of the 5 youths above is 44.4 atts...  which is well above my expectations especially when i achieved a new record of highest gains player i have ever trained :D. I believe i have answered one part of the question.. that experience, quality, and age (as long as they are 30+ yrs) does not really matter for youths when they are low quality. Yes the oldies did gain quite a lot.. but that did not stop the youths from gaining. I'll ofcourse continue the experiment and see if there is a significant change in results as the youths progress. 1 trial is not enough to come to conclusions... 

 

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 S123 Data

Quite dissapointed but it was expected. Average gain of youth is 37 atts

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S124 Data

 

During mid-season, I bought some Oldies to  improve my team, however i never once used them in friendlies , except league games and other official matches, but i did use them in 2 cups in which i played 1 match each.  That being said, the average youth gain this season is 42.33 atts... not too bad i guess.

 

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 S125 Data

Data table @ end of season :)

 I sold Juan Mata (offer was too good to pass), so i'll only be averaging the remaining 5 youths. Before i sold him, he gained 37 atts in 162 friendlies.

I still used the same oldies that i used since the beginning of this experiment, i just sacked some of them at EOS before i took this screen shot to make my team Qavg go up cos i needed to buy some high Q players. Anyways, avg gain of the 5 youths is 37.2 atts. 

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Training w/ all oldies < 35 years, low Q, and not much experience

 

Overall Data

 

Conclusion

While overall exceptional gains were not achieved by the experiment, it  still showed that  low Q oldies who are used for training starting at about 30 yrs without much initial exeperience  still get youths about the same gains as the current normal setup (34+, high Q oldies, with lots of experience). Just because the oldies gain aswell does not mean that they necessarily steal gains from youths. If you want the best results from your youths, follow the normal set-up tho.. lol :D